Analysing 1 and 1+

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  1. Real Quaid says:

    Are Love Me Do and She Loves You in mono?

  2. Anonymous says:

    Real Quaid, "Love Me Do", "From Me To You" and "She Loves You" are in mono. The booklet says that they were "remixed to mono" though. Whatever that means. The multitracks for "Love Me Do" and "She Loves You" don't exist anymore and the multitracks for "From Me To You" don't have the harmonica intro.

  3. Real Quaid says:

    Yeah, it's a shame about multitracks. They could have done some digital trickery and made fake stereo mixes though.

  4. Anonymous says:

    I suspect, from all the reports that have circulated and my own eyes in shops, that what has happened is that the european 1+ discs have been delayed at manufacture (due to the Christmas queues). The fact that nobody has a PAL edition only seems to confirm this.
    I think that a lot of 1+ packages were hurriedly shipped from the USA by Amazon to the UK, for example, to meet demand and that, in the meantime, they panicked and issued that notice in an attempt to cover it and deal with it.
    Nobody seems to have a PAL edition of 1+

    Meanwhile, Amsterdam is always a great place to be for new releases from the likes of U2, Prince and (maybe a little less so) The Beatles as there's a real 'hardcore' among the city's record shops and they always pull something special. It's slightly japanese in that respect. There's always something extra going on.

    I've also been in Amsterdam a few times on release days and remember the Yellow Sub DVD coming out and being played in full, in proper and impressive surround in one of my favourite coffee-shops with just me and the staff in attendance. That was pretty dam special!

  5. wogew says:

    I was in Amsterdam when "Let It Be…Naked" was released in 2003, and I found that a "Free Record Shop" nearby had ordered one (1) copy! It wasn't even put out in the shop, I had to ask for it and then the shop keeper produced it from the back room. Played it back on my computer in the hotel room, listening with ear plugs…

  6. Anonymous says:

    Internotional Times, for what it's worth, my BluRay Deluxe 1+ is "All Regions" and not NTSC. Not PAL either though.

  7. Unknown says:

    Let It Be is also different in new remixed version.
    Its ending parts is more simillar as Glyn Johns' Get Back mix.
    Here's a comparison video.

    youtu.be/BDTmtZOC0m8

  8. Mikko Suhonen says:

    Apparently the UK is the exception, since I received by cd+2Br-box today (which was dispached on friday). But I haven't heard anyone getting the blu ray version of the Special edition elsewhere in Europe.

  9. ALK says:

    There is a "serious" flaw with the 5.1-channel mastering on some of the tracks. The LFE on tracks such as Ticket To Ride has LFE way too loud (the level is approximately 15dB too loud) compared to the other tracks on Beatles 1+. There is also a slight delay (slightly out-of-phase) with the LFE, compared to the other channels, which may or may not have been intentional. I'm still going through the discs, so I'm not sure yet how many of the tracks are incorrectly mastered in 5.1-channel.

    At the same time, other tracks such as the live tracks and Lady Madonna sound great, even if the 5.1-channel mix doesn't use the back channels for any discrete instruments (a very 2-dimensional mix). But the 2-dimensional mix was a choice. The LFE levels on some tracks seem to be an error.

    Also note that even if you have a surround sound setup, the disc's default audio is stereo. You must select 5.1-channel audio from the disc menu to hear in 5.1-channel.

    Thought you should be aware that some of the tracks were incorrectly created for the 5.1-channel mix.

  10. kirkenshrir says:

    Amazon.ca still doesn't have the 1+ Bluray…

    I pre-ordered in september and it still hasn't shipped; maybe they're waiting for tuesday ?

    🙁

    amazon.ca/2-Blu-ray-CD-Deluxe-Limited/dp/B01576X9J0/ref=sr_1_1

  11. Unknown says:

    By the way, since abbey Road Studios has two stereo mixes of "From Me to You"(The released stereo mix with vocals, but no harmonica during the intro, AND an officially unreleased[but widely bootlegged] alternate stereo mix with harmonica, but no vocals during the intro, bootleggers have recently demonstrated, that, by synchronizing the intros from both of those stereo mixes, that it is indeed possible to create a stereo mix with both the vocals and harmonica during the intro. But Apple does the lazy thing and presents the song in needless mono sound.
    Similarly, when Apple assembled the "U.S. Albums" boxed set, the 2:04 version of "I'll Cry Instead" appears in mono in both the mono & stereo sequences of the U.S.A. "A Hard Days Night" album. The 1:44 version isn't an edited version. The 2:04 version is artificially extended via a tape copy repeat of the first verse. In other words, a stereo version of the 2:04 artificially extended version could have been easily created by re-editing the regular 1:44 stereo mix. But no one at Apple seems to know that.
    Giles Martin's unimaginative surround mixes for the "1+" blurry" set don't leave me longing for a surround sound release of individual Beatles albums. I'd much prefer 192Khz/24-bit releases of the original stereo & mono mixes.

  12. James Percival says:

    I received my blu-ray 1+ on the morning of the 6th via HMV. I must admit I haven't played it yet because the tv has not yet been free!, but I also ordered the dvd + cd set (also on the morning of the 6th via HMV) which I have watched on my pc, so some have been available in Europe.

  13. James19 says:

    I have the deluxe Blu-Ray set but I can't rip the audio from them since my computer can't read Blu-Ray. Has anyone been able to rip from them and make audio files?

  14. Unknown says:

    It's not a competition, but I'm in the UK and my copy of the 2bluray/1CD 1+ box turned up from Amazon UK on Thursday morning…

    It doesn't say NTSC or PAL but the discs do say they were made in the EU.

    Weren't the Intertel clips remastered from celluloid? Presumably they were shot at 24fps in the first place?

    • nic says:

      The disc is NTSC that's why the picture quality is crap. The video have the wrong frame rate and the disc is full of motion blur.

  15. Unknown says:

    No, they are from crisp 405 line VT. So some unnecessary messing about has taken place.

  16. Ole M. Olsen says:

    I ordered the special edition 2 BD/1 CD from Platekompaniet in Norway and received it on Friday.

  17. Anonymous says:

    still havent seen one commercial on tv for the beatles 1 bluray.whoever is in charge of promotion is doing a bad job.

    • nic says:

      No actually they are doing a good job.
      The quality of the blu-ray disc is abysmal, re-encoding PAL to NTSC and 35mm film to NTSC.
      This release is the laughing stock in Europe and Apple are not advertising it because it's an embarrassment.

  18. Ole M. Olsen says:

    By the way:

    "'Greensleeves' has been mixed out, as per the copyright problem with that song."

    a) The copyright problem was with Glen Miller's "In the mood", wasn't it?
    b) With it having been available on the song for 48 years, what is the point in mixing anything out NOW?

    (I haven't gone back to confirm whether it actually IS mixed out).

  19. Brian Fried says:

    In Canada, the 1+ BluRay were delayed; they should be available this week, according to the stores I visited. One store blamed shipping at Universal, another said it was typical now to stream some of the Canadian copies to the US when demand there is high because "Canadians can actually wait."

  20. Unknown says:

    Donny said, " "Love Me Do", "From Me To You" and "She Loves You" are in mono. The booklet says that they were "remixed to mono" though. Whatever that means"

    One thing to note – "She Loves You" was produced from the same digital source as the 2009 remastered version. Line up the two versions in Adobe Audition and they stay in perfect sync until the end (LMD and FMTY do not). But the version on the new release of "1" is more compressed and louder than either of the 2009 versions, which really brings out the distortion in this recording in an unpleasant way (to me).

    One thing that disappointed me was that there was no new stereo mix of "Please Please Me" which could have fixed the out-of-sync harmonica at the end. Instead, a live verson of the song is used. Boo.

    And it's not just "The Long and Widning Road" that has a "hair." All of the films made from "Let It Be" footage look completely unrestored. Boo again.

  21. Fab4fan says:

    Strange how visible hairs in many frames from the Let It Be film have not been digitally removed. Surely that would have been possible? It makes me wonder (and worry) if no digital restoration of the film has been done at all? If not, it doesn't seem like a re-release of the film is imminent!
    Also funny how the same ending is used for both Let It Be plus The Long and Winding Road (the cigarette smoking chap leaning on the piano).
    Finally, I don't think the Come Together promo video belongs in this collection. It does not in anyway represent the Beatles or the time it was recorded. It just shows how primitive computer animations were back in 2000.
    But all in all a splendid collection! Looking forward to view the bonus Blu-ray Disc.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Computer animations were not all that primitive back in 2000!
    I used to have a big folder with all of the iterations of Beatles.com since it came online and was wanting to check on this but I seem to recall, from memory, that there was some kind of outreach to new animators for the original "1" site and videoes were progressively added during that site's lifetime (which, due to the incredible sales was a lot longer than most promotional websites for albums, especially in 2015). I'm therefore thinking that 'Come Together' while not being a fan creation was a student creation and may have been voted for.

    Extremely perturbed that I can't find that beatles.com folder but will update this comment with more accuracy once I do.

  23. Unknown says:

    Were the hairs in the original cameras shooting the footage? If they were then you could argue that a restored film should still have the hairs – they're part of the original film rather than a product of ageing or copying.

  24. Martin says:

    I agree that the Come Together flash animated film is a dud. Crystal Tipps and Alistair was even better animated than that… Lindsay-Hogg must be tearing his hair out: he has approached Apple more than once about Let It Be being restored, but he never gets a proper answer…

    And a definitive Beatles best of DVD with no Walurs?

  25. maikel ariel says:

    i think the hairs and grainy image on Let It Be clips could have been fixed, but they decided not to do that, i don't know the reason for that.
    there is more complex restoration, as seen on the promo clips, done with From Me To You footage and Strawberry Fields Forever video

  26. Brian Fried says:

    If I recall correctly, the reason the Let It Be feature is so grainy is that the 35mm print is a projection of the 16mm on a blank wall… making it a first generation copy of the original because the original wasn't shot for those dimensions. Going back to the 16mm is a huge step towards cleaning the film – as Anthology showed us – but I have a strange feeling the clips were treated as "best available" as clips rather going back to the feature simply because the feature is on the back burner.

    Paul and Ringo both acknowledge the fan demand for such a product, but it's not going to come in 2016: that's reserved for the Ron Howard "Beatles live" project. 2017 will no doubt be a huge 50th birthday bash for Sgt. Pepper's, complete with a new TV special or re-release of the original. 2018 is likely the earliest we can get a copy of Let It Be on DVD/BluRay at this point (sadly).

  27. nic says:

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  28. Martin says:

    Both 'In The Mood' and 'Greensleeves' are present and correct on my 1+ copy of 'All You Need Is Love.'

    Also nice one, Giles Martin. For leaving in the 'F***ing hell!' bit in 'Hey Jude.' I feared (in these ludicrously PC times) that it may have gone the same way as Paul's cig on the Abbey Road cover…

  29. wogew says:

    "Greensleeves" has been edited off the stereo mix on the new Beatles 1 CD, iirc. The advertising campaign is still running in social media, Apple is releasing one minute previews every second day, television advertising is scheduled for Christmas. And the cigarette on Abbey Road has always been there, except on a poster released by an independent vendor, not Apple. But Apple has removed other cigarettes, as has Capitol Records.

  30. kirkenshrir says:

    I'm listening to the CD (the one from the 1+ Blu-ray box) and, unless we're talking about a different instance (AYNIL @ 3:14), "Greensleeves" is still there.

    It's has a little less presence in the mix than it used to but it's pretty hard to miss on my CD.

  31. Unknown says:

    I think some very cool footage of John and Paul singing,barking etc is missing from the "Hey Bulldog" clip…..I think when this clip first came out it showed a lot more of them at the mic singin…. what happened to this ??????

  32. nic says:

    The DVD which I am assuming is NTSC 720×480 at 29.9fps will be poor quality because most of the footage is sourced from PAL 720×576 at 25fps meaning motion blur is inevitable. The 35mm film with a frame rate of 23.976 will also be encoded to NTSC which will degrade the quality vastly. On the bluray version only the footage sourced from 35mm film is worthy of viewing, all the 29.9 video is a right off having been destroyed by unnecessary encoding with some horrendous motion blur. Added to this catalogue of calamity is the unbelievable fact the 35mm promo for Paperback Writer which is equivalent to 4K has also been encoded to 29.9 fps, complete madness. I returned my bluray discs to Amazon based on the fact it's American format NTSC which isn't stated on the cover, the fact that it's region free is irrelevant. I ripped the disc to my hard drive before sending it back. The personnel at Apple have a reputation for incompetence, from what I have seen of these Beatles discs it's a reputation well founded.

  33. maikel ariel says:

    Brian Fried said: "…the reason the Let It Be feature is so grainy is that the 35mm print is a projection of the 16mm on a blank wall…"

    is this correct?

    if it's true then this explain not only grainy picture, also those hairs seen at the edge of the picture.
    i think it's more possible to get "hairs" into the picture through a projection process than while filming

  34. Martin says:

    The Let It Be and The Long And Winding Road clips still look they need major restoration work. But maybe it's so fans will be chomping at the bit for a fully restored Let It Be film release?

    Other than those two I have no complaints. Except maybe that This Boy and I Am The Walrus should have featured. Also a couple of George tunes. For You Blue (wasn't it classed as a No.1 in the US charts?) and a blistering Roll Over Beethoven would have been nice…

  35. db says:

    Looking at the videos beginning to end, you'd think George and Ringo were just side men. It's all about John and Paul.

    Mostly joyous to watch: though Come Together should have been dropped or remade… and Tomorrow Never Knows looks too digital and out of place. But FAAB and Real Love sound better than 20 years ago, they sound like they belong with the other songs.

  36. walrus gumboot says:

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  37. walrus gumboot says:

    Must be a mistake…wasn't it Glenn Millers In The Mood that caused copyright problems. That's still there !!

  38. Judemac says:

    To Donny
    I've got a great version of "Love Me Do" in stereo in my collection. It is on a compilation which is on my website.

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